TM30 Reporting Online

 

For some reason my original post on the TM30 reporting requirements has generated a lot of interest, being one of the most viewed post I have published recently. Since then I have come across more information that I thought was worth sharing with you to assist readers stay on top of the ever changing visa related requirements.

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The income from my eBook pays for the upkeep of this blog, which is otherwise commercially free unlike so many others.

I am taking words and posts that have been published elsewhere, as I don’t deal with this issue on a daily basis, but I have given full credit to the people who have made the effort and not claimed any of this work as my own.

If the expression TM30 is a mystery to you as an expat living in Thailand you need to make the effort to ensure that it is no longer a topic you aren’t across. The Thai immigration authorities are tightening up on many of the rules relating to expats living here, and there’s no use taking a head-in-the-sand approach. The likelihood of you getting caught out is more likely now than before so, however annoying, it is best to work with the system rather than hope for the best. My original post on the TM30, which has itself since been updated is HERE. Best to read this first and then return to this post.

Firstly a brief recap for those who have started straight into this post. The TM30 is an address registration process, outside the 90 reporting., summarised as follows:

Who has to Register?

When it was originally written, the hotel act specifically excluded properties having less than four rooms for rent from having to apply for a hotel license in order to operate.

This allowed private properties consisting of condominiums, homes and guest houses falling under the required number of rooms to avoid the expense and trouble of applying for a hotel license. It also exempted them from having to obey other provisions of the Hotel Act which were designed for the hotel business and didn’t really apply to them.

The lack of enforcement meant that virtually nobody except hoteliers knew that the law applied to everyone providing accommodations to foreigners.

This has all changed. Under the new expanded law, this non-enforcement loophole has been closed and anyone who offers accommodations must register their foreign guests with the immigration department.

Ongoing non-compliance can be costly for the private property owner. Fines are around 1,600 Baht for every instance of non-registration and can add up quickly as guests come and go.

Long-term tenants usually find out they have not been registered when they pop down to immigration to do their 90-day check in, or a visa renewal. So, if you’re on good terms with your landlord and want to avoid trouble for both you and them, you might want to warn them before you make your next trip to immigration.

Immigration have been working to expand their online reporting options and I have come across detailed information about that, and so this post is mostly to do with that process.

There are a couple of options for online reporting. The first is computer based and the other a new Android app, for your mobile phone.

For the computer options these words and images have been provided by a guy called Eddie Zeng on a terrific very active visa Facebook page called Thai Visa Advice. The link can be found HERE. It’s worth signing up to Facebook, if only for this topic. So, below are Eddie’s words and screenshots. I haven’t tried this myself (yet) so am only sharing in the hope that it works for you. Our Immigration office hasn’t shown any interest in me lodging a new TM30 if travelling within Thailand. However, we have a friend arriving in September to stay with us for nine days, and as our province of Nong Bua Lamphu has just opened a new Immigration office, which is on the way home from the airport, I will register him this time. Over to Eddie:

 Info Sharing: TM 30 online – Private property

Chiang Rai immigration office advised that we can actually do it online for the TM 30 reporting, even though we are not hotel/guesthouse owners.

My wife (Thai house owner) actually done a registration on the website and I have made some screenshots, plus some labeling. Best to get a Thai (or if you can read Thai) do the registration as the “Fill-In” boxes are in Thai language.

 

An email with username + password will be sent to the registered email address about 2-3 working days, upon successful registration (we do not need to send any hard/soft copy of documents to the immigration office). First login, and you will be prompted to change to a new password. Once in the portal, you can click on the first subject on the left (as per the picture). As per the CNR office’s advice, there will be no hard copy receipt of a successful reporting. Users are encouraged to screenshot the successful reporting online and keep as proof of reporting.

Eddie Zeng once you key in the necessary data, press the blue button “1” and the data will appear in “2”. Then press the “Save” button on “3”. (You can check if you had successfully logged the data from the menu “Search TM.30”)

There is a useful discussion about some aspects of this online registration process on ThaiVisa HERE which is active now, so jump in there to broaden your knowledge.

OPTION 2 – If you are filling out paper form TM30 this is one of the helpful posts on this Visa site published by Tod Daniels:

This is the way you need to fill out the TM30 form if you are filing with NO documentation from your landlord

Your name goes at the top of the form, your address goes under it, then your address AGAIN as the address where the foreigner lives.

In the blank area at the bottom left hand side of the piece that they will tear off and give back to you write your address again.

On the second page (the table) put all your information.

You sign BOTH forms on the signature lines. Print the forms correctly. the first page is portrait orientation and second page is landscape orientation :O

Make copies of;

-lease

-data page of your passport

-visa (if you have one)

-extension (if you have one)

-entry stamp

-TM6 departure card

sign the copies of your passport stuff.

This is a way to file a TM30 in BANGKOK without any information from your land lord at all. <- (meaning you don’t need their i/d, their house book listing, a power of attorney form with the 10 baht in tax stamps).

AFAIK: this ONLY works in Bangkok but I can say with 100% accuracy that it does work (y)

OPTION 3 – for the Android app a discussion HERE on ThaiVisa will be helpful. It is also pretty recent (June) so the comments wil be applicible.

This is a link to Google Play HERE to download the app. Just out of interest the words for this app state:

Application provider of Immigration Bureau – According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, “House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national via Mobile Application
For Apple users the equivilent link is HERE

In summary, I can’t verify the options I have listed here because, other than the paper version, I haven’t tried them. What this post is designed to do is to give readers living here some avenues to follow up and explore depending on their circumstances.

If you have regular visitors then maybe registering your home online to lodge TM30s would be useful, especially if your local Immigration office is far away (previous to the one opening in Nong Bua Lamphu we had to go to Udon Thani, a 1 1/2 hour drive each way).

I am not sure that we are required to re-lodge a TM30 if travelling elsewhere in Thailand, but the rules read literally do state this is the requirement. Individual Immigration offices will then interpret the application of those rules differently, but in time maybe they will all insist on a new TM30 for every trip away from home. What a useless pain that would be.

I see that not reporting a visitor staying with you is a 10,000 baht fine, which is a decent chunk of money. The individual fine is 2,000 baht.

You are free to make your own decisions on how strickly you follow the rules, and I suspect that for most of the time you’ll get away with it. Do be aware that there is reoprting online that Immigraton is checking that a TM30 exists before processing any Visa extension, so you will get caught out evitually if that’s the case.

You now have some more tools available based on this post if you want to sleep easier at night in your TM30 reported bed! Up to you 🙂

Thanks for taking an interest. Please leave a comment because it gives me something to read in exchange.

Tony

8 Comments

  1. tony majewski

    Hi Tony

    I have the TM 30 mobile app on iphone….registered and received u/n & p/w within a few hours from C/W Immigration in September….Do you or your readers have any info on filling in the details in mobile app
    I will stay in a different province for 3 nights
    Upon returning Bangkok Immigration requires a TM 3O submitted

    Do you have any info in what to put in for the dates eg
    Check In and Check Out dates at beginning

    Also what info to put in on the TM 6 section…..
    Date of arrival
    Expiry date of stay etc

    Perhaps you could P.M.

    Thanks for any help

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    • Tony in Thailand

      Hi Tony. For some reason I didn’t get a message that you had commented. My apologies for a delayed response. I am sure you have found the answer to your questions by now and are thinking that I have been very slack! I haven’t used the mobile app so I couldn’t have responded anyway. Our local Immigration office doesn’t care about an updated TM30 unless I return from an overseas trip, which on my current budget is most unlikely 🙂 We are lucky in that way.

      Anyway. My apologies again.

      Tony

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  2. Trevor

    The TM30 app no longer seems to be on the Google Play system so have you any ideas where to find it please?

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    • Tony in Thailand

      For Android HERE and Apple HERE

      I haven’t used them so can’t let you know if the links or the app itself works.

      BTW there is one of the very best most comprehensive articles on the whole TM30 debacle HERE. Worth a read.

      I hope this helps.

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  3. Mel Yates

    Hi Tony. Thank you for the update. I had told my fiance that she should take the forms to her local police station, but there are three more things that I hadn’t previously known: 1. I need to sign the documents (not just the house owner). 2. There are other documents I need to supply (such as copies passport & entry stamp). 3.Taking the documents to the local police station will likely be a fruitless exercise as they are almost certain to say that they must be presented to immigration.

    The online option is obviously more convenient if we can do it. Not being brilliantly computer savvy (but average), I assume we would need to print the forms in order to sign them, then copy all the documentation and send via email to immigration. Does that sound correct? And seeing as how I would need to already be in Thailand to sign the forms, how long do we have in order to get them to immigration? I am only staying for 23 nights on this visit, and 2-3 of those will almost certainly be spent in hotels. I would likely be on my way home by the time immigration receive the documentation.

    But, I will still get my fiance to take the TM30 to the local police station prior to my arrival (so obviously minus my signature) and see what they say before proceeding further.

    Cheers and keep up the great blog
    Mel

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    • Tony in Thailand

      A brief reply Mel as I am in Chiang Mai and away from my computer. I will refresh my memory on what I did and do a bit of research to get back with a more helpful reply later in the week. I already know that the police are most likely to throw their hands in the air and refer your partner to immigration. Whatever the documentation says about the option of using the police for this requirement it has been well and truely lost in translation to the police themselves. Most of these guys are basically traffic cops and have no idea and certainly no interest in taking on more work.

      Sorry for the delay Mel.

      Tony

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  4. Shaughan

    Hey Tony,

    As with most other things Thai I am more confused than usual at the constant changes or the sudden enforcement of already existing rules…. They really are being a pain in the a$$. I am not saying Australia or anywhere else for that matter is any better but the goal posts don’t seem to move as much…

    Thanks for the info, hopefully it works better than the 90 day reporting, was never able to get that to work.

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    • Tony in Thailand

      I totally agree. So much of this stuff is piecemeal. Do you remember when we were supposed to fill out forms detailing our bank accounts and social media connections? That got everyone excited and then died a quiet death. I am waiting to see if it makes a reappearance in this current climate of tightening up on reporting requirements in areas that would seem to give no useful benefit to Thailand. Why can’t one register a permanent base and only advise if that changes? No 90 day and no TM30 on return from a trip overseas. There is some murmuring on social media about a poster that has been released suggesting ANY overnight trip outside ones home province will require a new TM30. That’s got people extra bothered quite rightly, but there’s dispute on whether that’s going to happen.

      I guess we just do our best to keep ahead of the bumbling bureaucracy until it all gets too hard.

      Yes, the 90 day reporting online was always hit and miss, mostly miss. Luckily a new immigration office has opened a 30 minute drive from us so dropping in to lodge an increasing number of pointless pieces of paper isn’t too difficult time wise.

      Cheers

      Tony

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