TM30 Reporting Online
For some reason my original post on the TM30 reporting requirements has generated a lot of interest, being one of the most viewed post I have published recently. Since then I have come across more information that I thought was worth sharing with you to assist readers stay on top of the ever changing visa related requirements.
The most comprehensive reference manual on building a house in Thailand. An e-book of 120,000 words arranged in a number of sections including the initial planning stages, a daily report on the construction process, later updates after we move in, a few summaries and a section on more general background topics such as land titles, Usufruct contracts, utility expenses and the daily cost of my building project.
So, what will you find here?
Firstly, I am a retired government employee not a builder so you won’t find a very specific how-to building book full of technical details. However, what you have bought is a very detailed 884-page coverage of how an enthusiastic amateur like me survived the Thai building challenges and ended up with a wonderful home that I still find hard to believe I have achieved.
Although the house we built is unique to us and may not be anything like the style of dwelling you plan to build, you will find many of the processes, frustrations and hints I share very relevant to almost any domestic construction project in Thailand. Topics covered such as creating a cool house, planning and design tips and specific topics like septic and water solutions are mostly likely generic to your situation, or parts of them will be, so will be a useful addition to your research material.
I have tried to make the book a good read and not just a dry list of dos and don’ts. It is written in a casual style as though I was chatting with you and I hope that makes it more engaging. In each chapter you will live every individual day of the build with us plus some of other events and activities and share our excitements and frustrations. Even if you aren’t about to build in Thailand, I believe the book includes enough interesting material of one farang’s story to hold your attention.
I am loving your book – just on my second read at the moment, to make sure that I didn’t miss anything first time around (which actually it turns out I did!).
Just a note of thanks at this point ……. I am a fairly methodical sort of bloke, but there are many issues which your book highlights which I just wouldn’t have thought about – or if I had, I may well have assumed they were “standard” building practice [U-bends, drain positioning, barge-board alignment] – if it hadn’t been for your excellent descriptions!! I will probably still “miss” something – that’s the nature of building/design – but thanks to you, it shouldn’t be anything too mission-critical. Mike
Undoubtedly, we would not have the quality home we now have without the book, we had no idea even where to start until we found Building in Thailand eBook. We did manage to avoid most of the traps that we could have fallen into, we are extremally thankful for the authors attention to detail and common-sense approach. Chris
I have had the good fortune to have used the first edition as part of Yuri and my plans to build our home here in Surin. To say it is a good reference book is an understatement. The practical advice and your self deprecating style make it a great read. The anecdotes and asides all add to its appeal as both a “how to manual” and a fascinating insight into what lies ahead for people like me who have only just commenced a similar journey. Far better armed for what’s to be encountered. Greg
The income from my eBook pays for the upkeep of this blog, which is otherwise commercially free unlike so many others.
I am taking words and posts that have been published elsewhere, as I don’t deal with this issue on a daily basis, but I have given full credit to the people who have made the effort and not claimed any of this work as my own.
If the expression TM30 is a mystery to you as an expat living in Thailand you need to make the effort to ensure that it is no longer a topic you aren’t across. The Thai immigration authorities are tightening up on many of the rules relating to expats living here, and there’s no use taking a head-in-the-sand approach. The likelihood of you getting caught out is more likely now than before so, however annoying, it is best to work with the system rather than hope for the best. My original post on the TM30, which has itself since been updated is HERE. Best to read this first and then return to this post.
Firstly a brief recap for those who have started straight into this post. The TM30 is an address registration process, outside the 90 reporting., summarised as follows:
Who has to Register?
When it was originally written, the hotel act specifically excluded properties having less than four rooms for rent from having to apply for a hotel license in order to operate.
This allowed private properties consisting of condominiums, homes and guest houses falling under the required number of rooms to avoid the expense and trouble of applying for a hotel license. It also exempted them from having to obey other provisions of the Hotel Act which were designed for the hotel business and didn’t really apply to them.
The lack of enforcement meant that virtually nobody except hoteliers knew that the law applied to everyone providing accommodations to foreigners.
This has all changed. Under the new expanded law, this non-enforcement loophole has been closed and anyone who offers accommodations must register their foreign guests with the immigration department.
Ongoing non-compliance can be costly for the private property owner. Fines are around 1,600 Baht for every instance of non-registration and can add up quickly as guests come and go.
Long-term tenants usually find out they have not been registered when they pop down to immigration to do their 90-day check in, or a visa renewal. So, if you’re on good terms with your landlord and want to avoid trouble for both you and them, you might want to warn them before you make your next trip to immigration.
Immigration have been working to expand their online reporting options and I have come across detailed information about that, and so this post is mostly to do with that process.
There are a couple of options for online reporting. The first is computer based and the other a new Android app, for your mobile phone.
For the computer options these words and images have been provided by a guy called Eddie Zeng on a terrific very active visa Facebook page called Thai Visa Advice. The link can be found HERE. It’s worth signing up to Facebook, if only for this topic. So, below are Eddie’s words and screenshots. I haven’t tried this myself (yet) so am only sharing in the hope that it works for you. Our Immigration office hasn’t shown any interest in me lodging a new TM30 if travelling within Thailand. However, we have a friend arriving in September to stay with us for nine days, and as our province of Nong Bua Lamphu has just opened a new Immigration office, which is on the way home from the airport, I will register him this time. Over to Eddie:
Info Sharing: TM 30 online – Private property
Chiang Rai immigration office advised that we can actually do it online for the TM 30 reporting, even though we are not hotel/guesthouse owners.
My wife (Thai house owner) actually done a registration on the website and I have made some screenshots, plus some labeling. Best to get a Thai (or if you can read Thai) do the registration as the “Fill-In” boxes are in Thai language.
An email with username + password will be sent to the registered email address about 2-3 working days, upon successful registration (we do not need to send any hard/soft copy of documents to the immigration office). First login, and you will be prompted to change to a new password. Once in the portal, you can click on the first subject on the left (as per the picture). As per the CNR office’s advice, there will be no hard copy receipt of a successful reporting. Users are encouraged to screenshot the successful reporting online and keep as proof of reporting.
Eddie Zeng once you key in the necessary data, press the blue button “1” and the data will appear in “2”. Then press the “Save” button on “3”. (You can check if you had successfully logged the data from the menu “Search TM.30”)
There is a useful discussion about some aspects of this online registration process on ThaiVisa HERE which is active now, so jump in there to broaden your knowledge.
OPTION 2 – If you are filling out paper form TM30 this is one of the helpful posts on this Visa site published by Tod Daniels:
This is the way you need to fill out the TM30 form if you are filing with NO documentation from your landlord
Your name goes at the top of the form, your address goes under it, then your address AGAIN as the address where the foreigner lives.
In the blank area at the bottom left hand side of the piece that they will tear off and give back to you write your address again.
On the second page (the table) put all your information.
You sign BOTH forms on the signature lines. Print the forms correctly. the first page is portrait orientation and second page is landscape orientation :O
Make copies of;
-data page of your passport
-visa (if you have one)
-extension (if you have one)
-TM6 departure card
sign the copies of your passport stuff.
This is a way to file a TM30 in BANGKOK without any information from your land lord at all. <- (meaning you don’t need their i/d, their house book listing, a power of attorney form with the 10 baht in tax stamps).
AFAIK: this ONLY works in Bangkok but I can say with 100% accuracy that it does work (y)
Application provider of Immigration Bureau – According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, “House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national via Mobile Application
In summary, I can’t verify the options I have listed here because, other than the paper version, I haven’t tried them. What this post is designed to do is to give readers living here some avenues to follow up and explore depending on their circumstances.
If you have regular visitors then maybe registering your home online to lodge TM30s would be useful, especially if your local Immigration office is far away (previous to the one opening in Nong Bua Lamphu we had to go to Udon Thani, a 1 1/2 hour drive each way).
I am not sure that we are required to re-lodge a TM30 if travelling elsewhere in Thailand, but the rules read literally do state this is the requirement. Individual Immigration offices will then interpret the application of those rules differently, but in time maybe they will all insist on a new TM30 for every trip away from home. What a useless pain that would be.
I see that not reporting a visitor staying with you is a 10,000 baht fine, which is a decent chunk of money. The individual fine is 2,000 baht.
You are free to make your own decisions on how strickly you follow the rules, and I suspect that for most of the time you’ll get away with it. Do be aware that there is reoprting online that Immigraton is checking that a TM30 exists before processing any Visa extension, so you will get caught out evitually if that’s the case.
You now have some more tools available based on this post if you want to sleep easier at night in your TM30 reported bed! Up to you 🙂
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